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Learning and Growing. WooCommerce Meetups with Sandi Batik

Learning and Growing. WooCommerce Meetups with Sandi Batik
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WooCommerce meetups are growing. With it comes education and support for the organizers as well as the community. Our chat with Sandi takes a deep dive into meetups and all the working parts around them. And the chat takes us even further into the Woo ecosystem and what Sandi’s vision is for WooCommerce.

A Chat with Sandi Batik with LoneStar WP

In episode 60, Mendel Kurland and I chat with Sandi about:

  • Her journey to WooCommerce and why she has never looked back.
  • What is happening with WooCommerce meetups and how she is involved.
  • The top strength and challenge with WooCommerce meetups.
  • What the perfect world of Woo might look like in 5 years.
  • Why meetups must always address the beginners.
  • The mix of in-person and virtual meetups for the future.

As we start most of our podcasts, we ask Sandi to share her journey to WooCommerce. Her background and approach makes for an interesting insight into the space.

Although she has been doing the WooCommerce meetup since 2015, we take a look at her newest endeavor as she has become part of a team to build WooCommerce meetups globally.

A lot of the passion Sandi brings to the table is because she knew what she wanted to see happen both with WooCommerce and the community. Much of this came from her experienced training in quality management systems.

She talks about what they are doing as a team to provide the much needed support to both meetup organizers and those who attend.

Moving into the needs around meetups, wechat about the audience. WooCommerce has a wide range of users, from beginners to shop owners, developers to designers. We explore how those needs can be met and segue into Sandi’s passion for beginners and the need to find a way to help them.

We round it off a discussion about WooCommerce meetups going virtual and how that will look when we are able to meet in person again. In a small The positive effect of all of this is that it opened eyes to the potential. We share what we see in our own meetups and how we feel it will play out once we are able to gather in person again.

Announcements

Want to start a WooCommerce meetup?

Sandi is looking for is anyone who is interested in starting a WooCommerce meetup. And if you have a WordPress meetup, she would like to talk to you about doing quarterly Woo meetups. Sandi@lonestarwp.com

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Free Consulting to Speed Up Your Woo Store

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WooCommerce Seattle Meetup

I recently restarted the WooCommerce Seattle meetup after a hiatus. We are focused on helping beginners and users understand and get the most out of WooCommerce as well as helping others to make the decision of building their first store on Woo. You can see all my meetups here.

The Conversation

Yes, this is the transcript. But not in the traditional sense, transcribed word for word. We do not speak as we write. Often the flow of transcribed content is hard to follow. So I have taken it a few steps further by seriously editing, at times, the conversation and even using my editorial freedom to clarify some points. So enjoy.

Bob: And we're back with Do the Woo. This is BobWP, episode six zero. That's a nice even number. And I'm here with my esteemed colleague Mendel Kurland. Mendel, how are you doing?

Mendel: Bob, 60? That's incredible. This is a landmark podcast and I'm really excited for our guest today. So I'm really stoked for that. I'm having a great week, enjoying the hot weather here in Texas and I hope you're enjoying coastal life.

Bob: Yeah, I am. It's been very nice, very mild weather. I don't need it hot. In the '60s is our heatwave here, and that's how I like it. So I'm good with that. Anyway, let's get into this.

Yes, I definitely want to get into WooCommerce meetups. I've known Sandi online for many years, but I believe this is maybe one of the first times we've actually spoke to each other. We have Sandi Batik here today. Sandi, how are you doing?

Sandi: I'm doing great. Because I'm in the great state of Texas along with Mendel.

Bob: Oh, I see how it is. Okay, yeah. I see.

Well, we usually start out with finding a little bit about what you do in the WooCommerce space and your journey.

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How Does Sandi Do the Woo?

Sandi, with that all said, how does Sandi Do the Woo?

Sandi: Well, Sandi is been doing the Woo for a long time. We did our first eCommerce site way back in 1999. But we were introduced to WordPress in 2007. And we've never looked back. We actually did our first WooCommerce site in 2012. And we've been building WooCommerce ever since. I mean, it is one of our mainstays. And I also am the organizer of the WooCommerce meetup here in Austin. And we actually have been teaching Woo before there was an actual honest to God WooCommerce meetup. We were teaching Woo pretty regularly in our WordPress meetup. But a year ago, Nick, Toyin and myself decided to build a company together. And we're now building eCommerce Solutions, including Woo Stores. We're doing WordPress membership sites, custom eCommerce plugins and consultancy for eCommerce projects. So that's something that I enjoyed.

And I've talked about this before. There's people who come and say, "I have an idea, and I'm going to do a store." And I look at that and I go, "You're not ready for this." We have democratized eCommerce. Which is a great and wonderful thing. However, that gives people the ability to lose money at a very rapid rate because they don't know what they're doing. Because my background is more in systems analysis, and business process management, I sometimes work with them to say, "Here's what you need to know before you start a store. Before you move, you got to do this list." So that's kind of my background. That's where I'm at right now and loving it. I love belonging to the community and I love working with the community.

As An Early eCommerce Adopter, Her Journey to WooCommerce

Mendel: Hey, Sandy before we get kicking off into the community conversation and the meetup conversation and all of that. I'm real curious if you can tell all of Bob's listeners a little bit about why you're so passionate about eCommerce and WooCommerce in general. You got your start in eCommerce and then you went to Woo. What got you excited about commerce and then what brought you towards WooCommerce? Why did you never look back? I think that's kind of interesting.

Sandi: guess you have to go into my real background. Before I was in the web development space. I started off in my life as a project manager and I was also a systems analyst. Actually during the late '80s, I became a Deming Certified Quality Analyst. So, in that position, I worked for the Colorado Small Business Development Office for Minority and Women Business Development. My job was to help them build businesses. I wrote business plans and helped them figure out how to take their skill and make money.

When you're doing it in brick and mortar, it is so hard for a young startup. But if I have an eCommerce tool and Woo is particularly facile, I can take a young business that doesn't have as much capital as it would have taken back in the '90s, or the early 2000s. And with some focus and some help, we can get them successful in a business.

So why do I get excited about it? It's because I'm an old dog that loves my old tricks. I guess I love helping people build a business and I love seeing them be successful. And with Woo, I have the capability to make that happen at a very low price point. So that's it. At the end of the day, I just like doing it. Not a very deep reason.

Mendel: It's good, but I think it sets the context for the next question that Bob's going to ask about meetups. Because I've known you for a little while and known that you're somebody that really enjoys helping other people and making them successful.

What Sandi is Doing Around WooCommerce Meetups

Bob: You talked about introducing WooCommerce and teaching WooCommerce in your WordPress meetup. And then you were able to start the WooCommerce meetup once they made that decision, and wanted to build on that.

Before we dive into some real specifics around the meetups themselves, three weeks ago, we had Robert Windisch on, and he is on the team with you. And he talked more about the mentorship program behind this. Today, we want to dive more into the nitty gritty of the actual meetups. You have a love for teaching and wanting to help people. Is that what drove you into this team that you're now on? So maybe you can revisit what that team is about, and what your involvement is with this team to help build WooCommerce meetups.

Sandi: One of the things I do is I collect a lot of statistics about our meetup. I collect who's there? What are they doing? What do we need? Where WooCommerce is failing? Where support is failing? And so I've probably been a noisier person saying, "We need to do this for the community."

And I met Jonathan Wold when he first started. I talked to him about what I felt needed to happen. And he invited me to be on the team. I was thrilled because in my mind, my position on that team, is to be the voice, of not only the organizers that I'm working with, but the members. Because when you're an organizer, you're carrying the wants, needs and wishes of your community. And so if you're the one that's going to make the call to Woo or write the email. I mean, we've all done this. We've all said, "This is what I'm unhappy about, and I really need you to fix it." And Mendel knows I can complain, I try to be nice, but I will complain.

But the issue is though, I think that my joy of being on this team is it gives me an opportunity to look at the things that I know have hurt or not hurt them. When it hurts the meetup in such a way that sometimes people gave up. And my goal is to make sure we have the tools. So organizers don't give up and members don't give up. And it takes nurturing.

I'm really impressed with the team. I'm sure Robert told you. There's five other people and we are all over the world. The coolest thing about this is we meet once a week and we get to share what's working in each region. And we get to learn from each other.

And I really feel like, because I was trained in quality management systems, I'm looking at this is like, "This is what we're supposed to be doing. We're finally approaching WooCommerce like it's a business, and it needs to focus on its customers." And its customers are the members of the meetup, who are trying to use it. And the developers who are trying to use it. So that's why I got excited about it. Why I'm thrilled to have been invited.

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And now, back to our conversation.

Meetups. What Is the Major Strength and What is Most Challenging?

Bob: Let's start with the full spectrum. What do you see as the biggest strength and on the other end, what needs to really be worked on?

Sandi: I think right now, the biggest strength is that it seems that WooCommerce has finally turned their eyes outward, and is looking into the community. Before it always felt like WooCommerce did what they did, then you figured out how you were going to use it. There wasn't a lot of, "Hey, let's talk to the community. Let's see what the clients need."

And what I'm seeing and the thing that makes me the most happiest right now is I'm seeing a real, substantive change in how Woo is addressing needs. How Woo is meeting the meetup organizers halfway. They're really looking at how to make our lives easier, and how to give us the tools to build the community. So in my mind, the biggest positive right now is Jonathan Wold and his team, who have somehow managed to turn the eyes of Woo onto the community, in a very serious way. So that to me, that's the big one. They're listening. They're making changes.

We've talked about the fact that we need the website redesign because Lord knows you can never find anything on it. But they're doing it. They're talking now about doing code freezes. The last two Thanksgivings, all of us who had eCommerce clients were dealing with the recent upgrade. So they're listening to us. To me, that's the big. I'm thrilled.

One of the things I've noticed in my interviews with the organizers is we need to convince them to get out of the WordPress bubble. They talk about not getting many people at the meetups. Well, you're not going out of the bubble. You should be announcing your meetups at Chambers of Commerce, at business meetings, at other meetups. We need to go out of the bubble. So one of the things we've been talking about is how to train organizers to think outside of WordPress to bring a new market in. That is a big one.

We've also talked about why some meetups have failed. Interestingly enough, most organizers are sole proprietors of small agencies. There's very few organizers that work for a big company. Most of them are on their own time, using their own dime. What that means is if they're having to develop their own training materials that you're going to need to get ready for a meetup. And then you have the four hours of a meetup and then two hours after. That's a lot of time you're asking someone to do that every month.

But if we can get unified slide decks, and if we can get speakers notes, and if we can get good documentation up on that site, that means that we can get a person who wants to organize and wants to share They will have slide decks that they can pull down, teach from an existing slide deck and just add a little bit for themselves.

So that gives them a tool to be an effective trainer and they can then spend time working on supporting the community. So, I think every organizer we speak to, we're getting a different list of wants and needs. And we're pulling them all together to see how we prioritize that and how we support them more quickly.

What Sandi Hopes to See in the Woo World in Five Years

Mendel: So Sandi, as an add-on to this question. Let's assume, Sandi Batik's world, five years from now, in the most incredible WooCommerce ecosystem, the most incredible WooCommerce community, that you could ever imagine. What does that look like to you? Where are we going? And how is that different than the way WordPress looks now? And how are these things separate? How are they combined? Because, as we all know, WooCommerce is just a plugin, right? Well, it's not just a plugin, it's much more than a plugin. But as far as WordPress is concerned, it's a subset. Right? Has to run on WordPress. So I'm curious what your Jetsons world of WooCommerce looks like in five years.

Sandi: I don't know that you actually want to know that. Here's where I think is going to go on. First of all, right now, because WooCommerce is free and it's been out there, tt has 100,000 installs and 500,000 people actually working with it. It's a big dog right now. But when people say, "Well, I want to use Woo because it's free." And I said, "Yes. Woo is free the way a puppy is free. You're going to have to take it home and you're going to have to nurture it. So let's not get crazy on the free part."

In my world, what I see is that, and I'm going to circle back because you're talking about WordPress itself right now. We are having to change how we do the meetups. Because if you think about the way it was in 2007 and 2008, there will be what? Be 10 guys at a coffee house, we'd all have our laptops open. And we'd have the Codex up, and we would try to figure out what to do. So as a community, we were learning this and we were contributing to the Codex. There was a sense we were building something. Okay?

Now, WordPress is a mature product. There's a lot of resources out there. People aren't coming to a meetup anymore, just to learn WordPress. You've got all kinds of resources. You've got one of the best, WPBeginner. I mean, that is an absolute resource for everybody. What we have done with WordPress is we've given them the list for self service, how you learn this.

What we're doing now is we're focusing more on the business of WordPress, how you use WordPress. How you actually use it in your life to make money. For me, in my ideal five years, now that we have finally gotten into WooCommerce and the plugin ecosystem, is to be on the same page. Because part of the problem with Woo, is when Woo updates, you've got the ecosystem which may or may not be online with that. So you get this thing saying, "Upgrade." And some of those people in the ecosystem won't work with this.

In my perfect world, five years from now, WooCommerce will have a better conversation and integration with their plugin ecosystem so that when they upgrade the plugin, the ecosystem is ready. And when things come down the pike it is less painful.

And in my other ecosystem around this is the technology. It's interesting, but it's only a tool. So my ecosystem is where we teach people how to take the tool and make money. How do I take WooCommerce and build a membership? How do I take WooCommerce and connect it to a learning management system and teach classes? How do I take it and build a business with it? So in my world, we're focusing more on the how to use it for what it was made for. Not to how to manage the technology.

Now, in five years, Woo will probably be on a platform, if it's very much like any other SaaS. I'm sure there's going to be a platform version where you'll have the Woo in a box where people who don't care about technology and could just use Woo. I'm sure we'll still have the people who want to use Woo for awhile. But bottom line, where the community is going, is "How can you use this to make your life better?" Period. The technology should become inconsequential. Nobody thinks about what's going on in the computer. They just push it and it works. I think that's where we're going.

Always Meet the Beginners Needs at Meetups

Bob: I want to bring up the organizer side of things. This is something that I've experienced over the last 10 years. And how you're approaching it is the different levels of audience we have at these meetups. You have your beginners and people who are a bit beyond beginners. I've had people come to my WooCommerce meetup who I don't even consider beginners because they haven't touched WooCommerce or are coming to the meetup just to discover it. Then we have shop owners, we have site builders. And oddly enough, back in the days when I was involved with the WordPress Seattle meetup, they came up with dev designers, which were developer designers.

We worked with how we would manage to provide content and interaction and make it good for everyone. Which was the challenge because sometimes we want to satisfy everybody and meet everybody's needs. And that's an impossibility because what we obviously are talking with a beginner, may not be that interesting to an advanced developer. How are you approaching this particular part of it as you build up these meetups?

Sandi: Well, the Austin's answer when we were starting is we had a beginners meetup, an intermediate meetup and advance Dev meetup and then the WooCommerce meetup. So we broke it out. We found that our intermediate meetup was just not drawing people, and our dev meetup was... and Mendel will know what I'm talking about. It was better just to meet them at the bar and talk dev.

Bob: I totally get it.

Sandi: This is something I feel very strongly about. And I've told this to every organizer I've met. It is critical that you always have a beginner's meetup, for WordPress in particular. And what we do is we have a Saturday where we all do stuff just for beginners. We'll just have a special thing. We'll announce it ahead of time and we do a Saturday, "This is your beginner stuff." Here's why I'm passionate about beginners. If you don't fill the pipeline, do not complain if you don't have developers. People will say, "Well, we need more diversity at the conference." Or before you can speak at a conference you have to learn.

And the only way we can do that is we have to be aggressive at our beginners level. We have to reach out to the community at our beginners level. And we need to train beginners and those beginners then will start loving WordPress and get more interested in, "How can I use this with eCommerce? How can I do that?" And then you build your pipeline of really good developers.

If you teach a beginner in 2010, and you see him present at an Advanced Developers Meetup in 2015, it makes your heart happy. I mean, to see beginners that have gotten that good. So I feel passionate about what we're doing is we must.

Mendel knows when we do a camp, I always hold a children's camp. And we were developing a children's WooCommerce camp with Liquid Web. They were helping me and they were going to give me the space, and we were going to do this in San Antonio. But then COVID hit and we had to cancel it. But I think it's critical that we teach youngsters. I think it's critical that we teach beginners.

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Now let’s head on back to the show.

Mendel: It's true though. There's so many people making their own way. And I've seen it. I've been using WordPress a long time, and WooCommerce a long time but been actively involved in the past six years. Even in that short amount of time I've seen people that were just getting into it, then support themselves and just be awesome after being a complete beginner and going to their first WordCamp or going to their first meetup. So, I mean, beginners are the lifeblood, right? If we don't bring them in, then the platform won't survive.

Sandi: And we go hunting for our beginners. We'll actually go and make pitches. If there's a meetup that has people that are mostly what I call lifestyle coaches and things like that, they could use a little website. I will tell them, "Hey, you can build a WordPress site in this amount of time and we're going to hold this beginners class. We invite you to come, it's free." So it's that idea of going out of the bubble.

One of the organizers I talked to on the West Coast said, "How do you get shop owners to your meetup?" And I said, "Well, what are you offering as far as classes?" He told me his class list and I said, "Well, if you are only offering highly technical developer kind of stuff, you're not going to get shop owners, because you're not speaking to them. And you need to advertise." Most of the classes that we give here in Austin now really center mostly around solving a business problem. We talk about the business problem and then we give you the plugin or the technology to deal with it.

So questions to ask before you to start selling or what you need to know to get your shop ready for business. It has nothing to do with technology. We need to understand, "What's your business model? How are you working?" We gave classes on how to do dropship and how to use AliExpress. We talked about how to sell on Amazon. Our classes were more business focused, and those are some of the classes that I'm going to take and restructure. And we're going to throw them up on Woo, in addition to the technical classes. Because the technology's cool, but unless you're using it to make money, why are you doing it?

The Mix of In-Person and Virtual Meetups in the Future

Mendel: So let's talk about classes and in-person classes for a second. I can't count the amount of messages I've seen on Facebook and Twitter and news articles and things like that about COVID-19 and people either not going back to school or keeping their kids out of the classroom. How have things changed? And where are we going with virtual meetups? What are some gotchas there?

Sandi: I look at COVID having an unlooked for blessing. In that, I think the virtual meetups are really helping us expand our audience. We went to virtual meetups right away. I went and I got a Zoom account for us. We always cross announce. So we announce our meetups in several places. I had a developer who pulled into the last class, he was from Egypt. I now have four or five people from the West Coast who are showing up every month. This is our third month with a virtual WooCommerce meetup. And, we're finding that people are really enjoying it.

Now gotchas. There's times when you just want to stand in front of a whiteboard and draw out a schema. There's times when being in person is better. Here's what I think and I want to give great kudos to WooCommerce for. They have agreed to get a WooCommerce Zoom accounts for the WooCommerce organizers, to help facilitate the meetups. Because we don't know when people are coming back.

I think how we do things is probably going to change drastically. Yes, we will get back together. We are social people. We're not going to stay in our houses forever. But I do think that we will probably, at least Austin will, keep our Zoom account even when we go into personal meetings again.

Because we have our venue is downtown Austin. Parking is a pain, it's expensive and then people have to have 100% intention to come to the WooCommerce meetup. There's lots of people that now that we're online coming from Liberty Hill and the suburbs.. So I'm thinking it's actually a good thing that we were forced to think differently. I really do. At the end of the day, I think it's going to be better for the community.

We're going to learn how to be more precise with our speech and how we train. Zoom is great. I mean, we can get our slides up, we can do screen shares. One of these days, I'll figure out a whiteboard. But I think we're doing okay. Everybody's going to be glad to get together because the Austin WordPress community actually likes each other. We enjoy each other, we enjoy seeing each other. We've been together as a community a long time. But aside from the social aspect of it, I think we're able to train just effectively on using Zoom.

Bob: Yeah. And that as an organizer, I totally agree because I've already thought about that for down the road. This is going to be a mix of in person and online for several different reasons. And you went over a lot of them. I'm hearing from the attendees, as we're doing the meetup and we've had some discussions. A lot of them are saying, "I could never come to this meetup. Because I live here or it takes me this long. I'm an hour away. I got to deal with traffic. I got to get somebody to watch the kids." It is opening it up to a lot of people that were unable to do it.

And I'm not sure how Austin is. But I know that Seattle is very sectored. People don't feel like traveling much. If you're in a certain part of South Seattle, North Seattle, East Side, Downtown, ou might as well be asking them to get on the plane and fly to Europe because to get to the different areas is such an endeavor for them.

They're excited because there is that option. I think having the options down the road for both in-person and online, won't take away from either one of them. We will just be able to fill the needs for more people.

Sandi: Well, I think too, in what I refer to as Metroplex cities like Houston, is massive. And there's people that are in the central part of Houston. And there's the same problem, getting there is hard. Same with the Phoenix area. So I think that we're going to see it, and I'm thrilled that WooCommerce is making the outreach to make this available to us so we can continue. I'm very happy about that.

Bob: Well, I know we could talk on and on about this for a long time. In fact, I'm sure I'll be having both you and Robert back at some point because as this develops it'll be interesting to see how things go. Especially when, down the road, we are moving to a mix of in-person and online.

Let's move into announcements. I know you have a couple of announcements, Sandi.

Wanted: New WooCommerce Meetup Organizers

Sandi: Yeah. As the organizer mentor for both Canada and the United States. I'm wanting to reach my goal which is to contact with every single WooCommerce meetup organizer, in both the States and Canada. By the end of September. I also want to reach out if you are a WordPress organizer in cities that don't have a WooCommerce meetup.

I would very much like it if I could talk to you about what it would take to get you to do one WooCommerce meetup each quarter. Because like I said, we're building tools for you to make that happen. And so I really am hoping that this podcast will have others thinking about doing the move, if they haven't been an organizer and they've been thinking about it. Or they were an organizer and they went, "This is too much work."

I would love it if you would contact me." I have a very simple email address. It's Sandi@lonestarwp.com. Send me your contact information and I will get back to you and figure out how we can work together to make your WooCommerce meetups better. Or if you'd like to start one, I would love it.

I was very thrilled when Bob asked me to be on because I'm hoping this will help me reach out to people that have been thinking about being an organizer or have been and sort of gave it up. So that's my number one.

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Mendel Wants to Help Speed Up Your WooCommerce Store

Bob: Cool. You got anything exciting going on Mendel?

Mendel: Oh, so many exciting things. But hey, listen, I just have one today. And that is, your WooCommerce website might be slow. And if it is, I'm offering free sessions to talk about how to optimize your WooCommerce site. If it's slow, that's it. It's free. @ifyouwillit on Twitter and my email address is mendel@kurland.me. It's just out of goodness of my heart and the fact that I get paid to help people out from Nexus and LiquidWeb. So, let me know. Hit me up. And it's not like a ploy or a plot or anything like that. I'm just trying to help out.

Seattle WooCommerce Meetup

Bob: Cool. All right. Well, I'll make a announcement. The day this show goes out, Thursday the 25th, 2 PM PDT, we'll be doing our Seattle WooCommerce meetup online. We're focusing, as Sandy said, on beginners and users. And a lot of the people that are coming to my meetup are very new to WooCommerce. And they're just learning about it. So I will be talking about product types. Going over those as far as what you can sell with WooCommerce. Talking about extending them and then just open it up for Q&A afterwards, so it should be a fun meetup. You can find that on the meetup site.

I'm going to go ahead and let the esteemed Mendel Kurland kind of close up this show then.

Mendel: Bob, I can't wait to come to crash your Seattle meetup. I didn't realize you're going to be presenting. That's awesome.

Thank you so much to Sandi for being here. I want to talk really quickly about some of our sponsors, and then I'll give Sandi an opportunity to share where you can find her on the web.

So thank you very much to Recapture.io. They are an abandoned cart and email marketing solution. Recapture.io, go visit them. Also WooCommerce.com. You know them. You love them. It's WooCommerce at its finest, the beautiful WooCommerce plugin. And finally, Mode Effect and eCommerce agency specializing in WooCommerce. They help you optimize your speed and increase profits on your shop. So check out Mode Effect.

I want to give you a second Sandi to let us know where people can find you. Maybe they can talk to you get more involved with the work that you're doing. I know you've mentioned it a couple times, but just leave it here.

Sandi: So anyone who wants help starting a meetup or needs help invigorating their meetup, please call me or I guess email me. It's Sandi@lonestarwp.com. And I'm really anxious to get our WooCommerce community reinvigorated, and I'm really thrilled again with what WooCommerce is doing on. I'm thinking, as we look at that site, you're going to start seeing changes and it's going to be easier and easier to find what you need. And I'm happy.

Mendel: Awesome. And as always, everybody remember to subscribe to the podcast on your favorite podcatcher. Sign up for the Woo news post or podcast. And, of course, become a friend of Do the Woo. Do it because it's awesome. And we like to support Bob and all the great content and guests that he has on. Sandi, thank you so much for being here. Bob, thank you for letting me be a part of it. Until next time, everybody.

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